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Climate anxiety is keeping us all up at night, but you’d never know it from watching a Hollywood blockbuster. Our guest, Anna Jane Joyner, is the founder and CEO of Good Energy, a non-profit that advises filmmakers and showrunners on how to weave in climate narratives – without killing the vibe. She talks about growing up with a climate-denying dad, how rarely climate change shows up in entertainment, and how a simple climate reality check – a new kind of Bechdel test – can help.

Also, Vass and Katrina consider buying the Batmobile now that it’s electric.

Our executive producer is Katrina Onstad. The show is produced by Andrea Varsany. Our sound designer is Cameron McIver.

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