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Public transit is essential to the well-being and growth of a city, but as we all know, it’s hard to get it right.

Enrique Peñalosa, a former mayor of Bogota, Columbia once said that “a developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transportation.” And while that’s definitely something to strive for, how achievable is it, really?

On this episode of City Space, we explore what conditions are necessary to create a thriving public transit system in any city - and what, too often, is ignored. Adrian speaks with Christof Spieler, who helped redesign the Houston bus network about ,the public transit blueprint he believes can be applied to all cities. We then hear from David Zipper, an urban mobility expert who worked with Washington and New York City mayors, on why focusing on something he calls ‘mundane mobility’ will benefit the average rider in ways even the flashiest of public transit tech never can. Plus, The Globe’s reporter Eric Andrew Gee, tells Adrian about why his time spent riding the Thunder Bay bus network made it clear how political public transit can be.

City Space is a podcast from The Globe and Mail that delves into questions of how to make our cities better. Listen and follow City Space in your favourite streaming app: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Pocket Casts or RSS.